
I don't know why, but the women seem like more fun...
A note on the NSFW. Apparently reddit has "offensive picture auto detect". I just wanted to explain, no one did that. It was the computer.
That's so cool!!! All I did was add the picture, the little thing spun a bit longer than usual, but no more than 45 seconds. And up popped the "People in underwear alert!"
Very cool. Except, how prudish can you get?
This is like "main street in Asia" advertisements above the largest department stores.
And often with the tongues of the women sticking out far as they smile provocatively.
I guess in this modern day of cellphone cameras, with women deciding what's offensive, the "porno tongue" is no longer a thing.
But imagine landing in Taipei airport, and there's a lovely chinese lady high above your head doing the Hustler magazine tongue sticking out. The caption reads, "Welcome to Taiwan!"
Think it's innocent?
Nope. It's asia.
You can easily get that. It's not even shameful.
The Thai airline plays, "The girls bring the boys out", when any Eva Airline flight lands in Bangkok, coming from a chinese country.
"Thai", if you say it twice, means "wife" in mandarin.
Americans are oddly dumb about the rest of the world. If you travel to foreign countries on business and follow local customs, a lot of the time you can't tell your friends back home about it.
Womanizing is mandatory on business visits. It's even mandatory after work, for new men in large corporations. Communal blow jobs with your fellow staff after work, are not uncommon.
Of course, we descended from the Pilgrims. Never recovered from that.
And THAT'S the "ugly american syndrome".
It's NOT some texas used car salesman ordering servants around on "The Love Boat", or a "Columbo" episode.
It's americans thinking everyone is the same, everywhere, and that noticing differences is racist.
It's well known by foreigners. You get someone obsessed with making sure everyone is treated the same, and they come off as thinking anyone not white is inferior. So we have to hush up and suppress speech around us.
I once was speaking with a grandfather from Singapore, because he was deathly afraid of the turbulence on the airplane we shared. Wanted to visit the grandkids in California.
I got into a conversation with him about interesting food customs among the population in Singapore, which is a diverse population. He seemed surprised I found it interesting. It became quite lively, and extended to Russian "manners".
Speaking of which, don't give anyone a gift there. It's too complicated to understand and you could even get stabbed.
An obviously american white couple lingered nearby our airplane conversation, because we were in the row with no seats in front of us. Their presence put an end to the conversation.
Chinese nationals had stood there, and no one worried they'd get weird if they heard the conversation. But the americans triggered the "ugly american alert".
Asia is very good at hiding it's dirty secrets from westerners. If you ask them to explain themselves they say, "It can't be helped."
That's true! We only pretend to be nice.
***
We don't exactly have a "sorcery group", but someday we might resemble one.
When we can meet in the phantom copy of the subreddit, we could be considered a "group".
Or when we can find each other in some other form of shared waking dreaming.
But there's a little confusion on how that might happen. At least, among the men.
So let's just clear that up.
Men are shit. Just an extension of femaleness.
The only reason they seem to be "leaders", is because they're bullies.
Look at the horrible invaders we get here, when we gain a little energetic momentum.
A group of 3 typically, descends on this subreddit and tries to bully everyone with their delusions.
They come to the only place on the internet with real magic, and try to take it down.
Leaders?
Nope. Just crazy bullies.
We had another 3 this week! One still lurking around out of pity on the part of Techno. He likes to believe people can be reformed. Or is that two?
Which is Techno's job of course. Keeping this place from being destroyed by men.
And not a pleasant job.
Women on the other hand usually don't want anything to do with "leading". At least, not the talented witch types.
They don't mind "organizing" and contributing, but "leading" is more of a male obsession.
There are exceptions of course, since Women have been convinced their place is to reproduce in the river of shit.
That produces "side effect" behavior. Not given to the one form of slavery (finding your soulmate and making a baby), they try to adopt a different form of slavery. Or to become the slave controller, as the famous female guru Carlos met had done. She was a "super mom" to her followers because her assemblage point was huge, and she could easily manipulate others.
But in general, women are witches. And they KNOW that if they haven't been brainwashed by religion.
So they mostly just view male attempts to practice magic as amusing.
Or if the men are succeeding, they find it interesting.
But they have nothing to prove to themselves.
Which makes them ideal students. Sorcery CANNOT be learned. It has to be lived, by your own efforts.
When I post techniques, it's just hoping to make you greedy so you put in the work.
The men might try to follow "steps" to "learn" it. Like a bad player still lurking around in here, currently likely resorting to self-pity attempts, to save face after he was outed.
The men obsess over my posts, while the women only see "what you can do" and then use their own path.
But if men are just dumb talentless bullies, how come they end up leading?
Let's look at that from the collected books and lecture notes, so that you come to understand the truth of things. Carlos was seemingly collecting women not because he was a pervert as the critics claim, but because it was his only chance.
Any hanky panky he had going on (there was plenty), was more about how women commit. And how to keep them from seeking their "soul mate". It's something I wouldn't like to engage in myself, but it's a better strategy than trying to reason with women to fully join an effort to learn magic. You're still not the most important thing they have going on, until they give up that pursuit of a romantic partner.
Jadey recently told us of the troubles Carlos had at the end, realizing his time was up and "no one believes me".
If everyone thought he was a fraud, there was nearly no chance anyone would use his amazing books to find their own path to freedom.
Jadey said the women's private class focused intensely on doing the Tensegrity forms they had, "perfectly".
Again, something you won't understand until you can see what tensegrity really is.
He was quite strict about it! He even said they were "his last chance".
When he saw that wasn't working, because no one's assemblage point was moving far enough, he tried not-doings.
Not-doings are the direct path to the double. It's like "hidden puffery".
When you gaze at something hoping to see weird stuff, you're really just looking for mini puffs of your energy body. Those are the only way the Tonal gets to perceive the second attention for the first time.
Well, other things can cause it. Such as tiredness, stress, fright. Or the naguals blow. Or drugs.
But if you're going to stare at a rock as a not-doing, in reality you are looking for pieces of the double, to give you "double assist" to your eyesight.
When you read the following notes from books and lectures keep in mind, our path is not the same. We don't have a Nagual leader. Those can confuse the matter, and make men seem more powerful. But even in that situation the actual leader of the group (don Juan in this case), knows the truth.
The good news about all this is perhaps that the men who are capable of learning on their own, which is only 1 in 500 who "join" this subreddit, don't mind at all if women are more powerful.
Women are as amusing to men as inorganic beings are. And men tend to believe they're in charge, even when they are actually the pawns of women or IOBs.
From lecture notes:
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In response to the question of why the nagual is the leader, Florinda claims: "Carol Tiggs, as the nagual woman, could very easily be the leader of our group. However, it is a sorcerer's belief that women are universes in themselves. As universes they have no interest whatsoever in leading other universes! Sorcerers also believe that maleness is an extension of femaleness.
Therefore, it is antithetical to the spirit of womanhood to lead. The nagual is not quite a leader; he is the person who lends the sorceresses sound mindedness, sobriety, and purpose. He can do this because of the heavy conditioning he suffered under the hands of the previous nagual."
***
From the books:
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"The Nagual told me that the four winds are women. That is why female warriors seek them. Winds and women are alike. That is also the reason why women are better than men. I would say that women learn faster if they cling to their specific wind."
***
A woman, of course, is much more supple than a man. A woman changes very easily with the power of a sorcerer; especially with the power of a sorcerer like the Nagual. A male apprentice, according to the Nagual, is extremely difficult.
"For example, you yourself haven't changed as much as la Gorda, and she started her apprenticeship way after you did. A woman is softer and more gentle, and above all a woman is like a gourd. She receives. But somehow a man commands more power. The Nagual never agreed with that, though. He believed that women are unequaled; tops.
***
Women are better than men in that sense. They don't have to jump into an abyss. Women have their own ways. They have their own abyss. Women menstruate. The Nagual told me that that was the door for them. During their period they become something else...
***
During that time a woman, if she wants to, can let go of the images of the world," la Gorda went on. "That's the crack between the worlds, and as the Nagual said, it is right in front of all of us women.
"The reason the Nagual believes women are better sorcerers than men is because they always have the crack in front of them, while a man has to make it."
"Well, it was during my periods that I learned in dreaming to fly with the lines of the world. I learned to make sparks with my body to entice the lines and then I learned to grab them..."
***
"How long does it take you to get to see that reddish glow?" I asked.
"A few seconds. The moment my attention is on my womb I'm already into dreaming" she continued. "I never toil; not ever. Women are like that. The most difficult part for a woman is to learn how to begin. It took me a couple of years to stop my internal dialogue by concentrating my attention on my womb. Perhaps that's why a woman always needs someone else to prod her.
***
I asked don Juan to explain my experience with la Catalina. And both of them again howled with laughter.
"Women are definitely more bizarre than men," don Juan finally said. "The fact that they have an extra opening between their legs makes them fall prey to strange influences. Strange, powerful forces possess them through that opening. That's the only way I can understand their quirks."
***
He told me that the nagual Elias's house had an open, roofed section in the front, where he had a forge and a carpentry bench and tools. The tiled-roof adobe house consisted of a huge room with a dirt floor where he lived with five women seers, who were actually his wives. There were also four men, sorcerer-seers of his party who lived in small houses around the nagual's house. They were all Indians from different parts of the country who had migrated to northern Mexico.
"The nagual Elias had great respect for sexual energy," don Juan said. "He believed it has been given to us so we can use it in dreaming. He believed dreaming had fallen into disuse because it can upset the precarious mental balance of susceptible people.
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Please read this page and the posts listed in it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/impeccability
And you might want to read a tiny bit of the "Are you a Bad Player" link.
Especially the part about bad players usually having an attention seeking name.
In your case, it's kind of "silly".
I don't believe I've seen a "silly bad player name".
Usually they have a built in attack. Like "Bat Savage".
Or it can be more esoteric, like "Zen Man".
Either way you know, that's a dog who will piss on your leg to mark its territory.
Not saying you are, but you seem to be clueless about name selection in Castaneda discussion groups.
Everyone else has seen them come and go, so just showing up with that name causes a good 50 people to worry about you.
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That and an inorganic being can get you a cup of strong sorcery blend coffee.
By itself, I believe you'll only get the chamomile tea.
Wow. Well, in response to this
There is both divine feminine and divine masculine. In order to be spiritualy healthy, you should be in touch with both of these sides. As we all have them. I hope you find a way out of this mindset.
Magic/sorcery has nothing to do with divinity or spirituality.
If you want to go for sainthood, this is not the right sub and the writings of Castaneda, Taisha, and Florinda, and the practices they shared are probably not for you either, since not one of them was a saint, or had anything to do with divinity or spirituality.
For that matter, Taisha and Clara both broke with their religions through the use of their own urine.
Maybe get with Cleargreen and get Reni to teach you how to be a saint, if that's what you're interested in?
To be a saint is not my aim, just talking about balance. Light and dark. Positive negative. Yin yang. Masculine and feminine. When these things are balanced, I would argue thats where the magic begins.
The only important balance I'm aware of is the tonal/nagual balance.
The tonal is virtually always running the show, so the balancing comes by putting the tonal back in it's place and emphasizing the nagual which is totally ignored in normal awareness.
As far as I can tell, magic begins with inner-silence, and balance is merely the external indication or expression of the fact that one has the energy needed for silence, so I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on that.
Balance is a byproduct that gives very useful feedback, but does not bring about physics breaking magic in-and-of itself.
Balance is also an attainment after struggle, not a beginning.
Does make sense so I can't disagree
What is bothering you about Dan's post, if I may ask?
the hate towards men is key
😂
You think Dan hates men, or that post was about hating men?
In our experience with the larger Castaneda community, at least the online presence in various forums, that is where pretending starts.
Preemptive peace is a cancer. It's soothing yourself so you feel better for not fighting before you even have a chance to actually EVOLVE past all the varied human syntaxes.
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Woman or man?
If you're a man, give up on learning sorcery. You're too lost in other stuff. When you get tired of pretending, come back.
If a woman, keep it up. Who knows what trail you're following?
But in this case you're very mistaken.
Did you find the quotes from the books to be male hating?
That won't serve you well. The books are a map.
You can't get to the big rock in the map where it says to "turn left at the big rock", and decide the landscaping that way looks anti-spiritual.
You have to follow the map.
Also, nothing you've said here has any application at all to sorcery.
Sorcery passes the human condition by very quickly.
You're stuck in the river of shit, where all humans currently reside. Up at that blue line on the J curve map.
Trying to make your little spot in all the shit smell better.
Find the crack in the wall, and give up trying to climb out. So far not a single person has managed to do that.
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We skipped the light fandango…
Turned cartwheels ‘cross the floor
Cholita could make that word work as well as Mary Poppins.
And when I tried to get her to take Tango lessons with me, she skipped it.
Said she wasn't going to "date" me.
Looked as pleased with herself, as if she'd turned a cartwheel.
do we have an "extra hole" or are men just born missing a special hole?
It's the vagina of course.
Or is that technically the hole?
I never get that stuff right. I'm still trying to figure out what a scrotum is, even though the sorcerer Juan Tuma forced our leader Carol Tiggs to stare at his up close.
Sex is used a lot in sorcery, because as a "story" it fits well.
It even has "taboo" built into the topic. Danger!
A good story needs a little danger and controversy.
Silent Knowledge flows through stories, especially for witches, and that's the coveted sorcerer's "seeing".
You could easily say, "The force flows through all living beings."
Because, the sorceress Soledad likely had a hand in putting that stuff into Star Wars.
Now for a non-sorcerer, things like claiming a person with an extra opening is subject to more outside non-human forces, seems really nuts.
Like someone is just making up stuff.
And we're completely saturated with religions and fake magic systems all around us making up nonsense, and pretending it's a serious topic you need to memorize.
Sacred scroll placebos.
But in sorcery, NOTHING is hidden.
The terms used are literal.
If they say that extra opening makes women subject to outside forces, you will someday be able to visible see that yourself.
You'll look down, and a weird alien bug will be trying to crawl up your vagina.
Myself, I wouldn't mind seeing that. Any magic is good magic, when you have none.
I don't even mind when Cholita tries to kill me. It's worth it to have her around doing real magic.
But Carlos had Kylie, his top teacher, afraid to even take a bath for fear alien insects would crawl inside her.
She had to take sponge baths on the toilet.
Ok... I just added the toilet part.
Too much time in Asia I suppose.
There, a bathroom has a tile floor with a drain, and there's a detachable shower head on the sink, to wash yourself off with while on the toilet.
That's the shower in many apartments.
A bathtub?
Or even an oven?
Unheard of luxury.
Which is good for the Turkeys.
It’s the womb, actually. That’s the magical organ.
The entry to it being magic-adjacent.
😂 😂
It's funny, because males start with primitive vaginas, ovaries and whatnot in early stages of fetal development shortly after the urogenital tract develops, and as the fetus develops, those female organs are transformed into males organs.
Every man was once a woman, while still inside mother (not for very long though!).
That's why damage to the sRy gene results in females with XY chromosomes instead of XX chromosomes.
Biologically, maleness is literally an extension of femaleness and the female reproductive organs are transformed from the fundamental female design through hormones and hormones receptors into the male form-factor, primarily because sexual reproduction provides much, much quicker evolution than self-cloning.
How to unlock the potential of the uterus? What practices are there for this, how to unlock this kind of power in yourself? I am not asking for idle curiosity, but for action in this direction. I am a woman, I do not like childbearing and if women have additional sources of power, I am ready to work in this direction. I am new here, I am getting acquainted with the information. I would be glad to hear from you.
Witch's subreddit?
I wouldn't know.
I have no idea where that is and I'm surely not welcome there.
But you could read the books of the witches, which are available here in a pdf with all the books. Or use Taisha Abelar, or Florinda Donner-Grau, as a search on Amazon.
Ignore the wikipedia. Someday you'll understand why that's been taken over and now blocks our attempts to bring back magic.
Cholita would not think of reading from the pdf!
She likes to hold a copy of the actual book, which becomes a power object she uses in spells.
Which works by the way... I don't go near Cholita's books anymore.
They bite.
In case you didn't notice my comments on Cholita, she breaks the laws of physics if she feels like it. Carlos took her in, and completely deviated her life.
For the better. She has hereditary madness from her mother.
He gave her to me to protect. As a result, I get to see her walk through my solid bedroom door at night, locked from the inside, and she takes off south west, taunting me to follow.
But I draw the line at running through solid walls.
And we have very rational witches too.
Another also "tinkered" with by Carlos and the witches of his group.
I just started reading Florinda's books, I love them. I read in Russian translation, since I am from Russia myself (maybe the translation has errors). I am reading information about Cholita and it would be great if she personally shared this information with women. Well, I will continue to study books and information on this subreddit, maybe I will realize how to practice. In any case, thank you!
Russia has been taken over by pretend sorcerers. ALL OF THEM.
Don't listen to a single one. They just want money and attention, and they have absolutely no sorcery knowledge of any kind.
Just pretending. Harmful pretending.
I've heard they've destroyed Siberian Shamanism also. Our source, 13,000 years ago when the Bering Straits allowed proto-siberians to cross into Alaska.
Down the coast they went, branching out to the middle of the USA also, until they became the Luiseno in my area on the west coast (California) with artifacts easy to dig up just south of me.
10,000 years old.
From the middle of the USA, perhaps even spreading through Illinois where nice stone axe heads can be found in farming fields, they continued down in the middle to the east coast of Mexico, to become the Olmecs. Oldest government in the americas, and rivaling the oldest city in the world, in the middle east.
Well, it was 1000 years or so later, but only what's been dug up is a bit later than that "original human city".
Try googling "Olmec figurines" to see some techniques we practice in here, copied directly from those ancient seers.
Shapeshifting for one.
Using your spirit as a scout for another.
Cholita has had as many as 5 inorganic being friends at a time.
And no, Cholita won't speak to anyone. Not even me except once every 6 months or so.
I've also used Olmec figurines ("The wrestler) to open a 1000 mile tunnel from California, to far south in the americas.
I check that one out nightly to see if anything I sent has returned. I sent Fancy last night. She's my untamed Ally.
It would be nice to see what Siberia had these days, 13,000 years after they left to come here.
But no one's going to fight to protect that stuff.
So it's been taken over by Russian Castaneda fans, trying to find a "niche" shamanism franchise.
It's murder just to try to protect what Carlos was teaching!
Pity about Siberian Shamanism.
What you write is beautiful! I totally agree with you about the twisted ways to lure people into pretend magic. From a young age, I was looking for a way, my own, to discover my possibilities. Or rather, some force was pushing me towards it. I encountered different "teachings/currents". And it was all wrong, there was no "inner" response. Until I found Carlos Castaneda's books, it was as if I had touched something real / authentic / consonant. Just, there it was! I learned about the Olmecs recently after reading your text about them. And I was very surprised, the picture with the Olmec mask, it reminded me of an event in my life.
So, being a woman, remember this.
You are "dreaming" the path.
But you need to dream the path of the Olmecs. It's too hard to venture out into "raw" dreams. Those are infinity, and don't usually go anywhere as useful as the dream of the Olmecs.
They had THOUSANDS of years to perfect this dream.
Being a dream doesn't make it unreal.
It's just how our reality works.
Our daily world is more like a nightmare, but it's equally as real, or unreal.
One of the really cool things is, we get to "modify" the dream a bit.
Not much, or we can slide too far away from the "intent" trail the Olmecs left us.
You can't for example, try ti be holy or saintly, or "resolve your spiritual issues".
That's not something you can add to this path. It'll destroy magic.
But it's ok to add things as long as they are "theoretically sound" in this way of understanding reality.
That's how don Juan described it.
So it's ok to "swipe" dream scenes you see floating in the air, as if they were on a cellphone. So you can get to the next scene faster.
It's "theoretically sound".
And you can look at events from the books, notice you can duplicate them, and then think of an "alternate application".
At that point, you are "dreaming yourself".
And it can get REALLY fun.
I could tell stories of experiments I did, but I'd get in trouble over it.
Let's just say, your Ally will follow orders.
Even when it seems absolutely crazy to expect them to do that.
And even when you forgot, you gave them that order.
They do something really odd and you wonder, "Why did she do that???"
Then you remember. You asked her to.
She just didn't quite do it, the way you expected.
But "literally", she complied.
I guess they're like that famous TV show genie, who grants your 3 wishes.
But it isn't what you expected. You wish to be the most powerful man in a small nation, and you find you're Adolf Hitler about to commit suicide in his bunker.
My Ally "Fancy" is particularly bad about "sampling" the merchandise.
If it was possible to send her to McDonalds to get some food, you'd find she ate half the french fries on the way back.
I had the same reaction to Castaneda!
I too was driven by an outside force to explore esoteric teachings which all fell short, until I was led to "The Teachings of Don Juan!"
I stopped researching esoterica when Carlos's books found me.
Also, like you, I recognized own experiences in the books and related materials.
Welcome to the sub!
You may have already found the wiki for the sub, but if not please check this out!
https://reddit.com/r/castaneda/w/index
There's lots of goodies besides just the books!
https://reddit.com/r/castaneda/w/tensegrity/core_tensegrity
Look for keyword "womb" when you follow that link to see the Tensegrity for the womb.
Also you can just start treating the uterus like the sensory organ it really is, at any time, you just focus your attention on you uterus while being silent (maybe place one hand on top of it?).
Eventually, you can enter dreaming directly by focusing your attention on your uterus.
Thank you so much!
My pleasure!
Did Castaneda or don Juan ever mention about human hermaphrodites?
I was watching anatomy dissection class with a real cadaver. It settles the surety that we’re only the energy body and the body an organic machine that stores energy.
But something happened before the start of the 20th century that shifted the whole paradigm. Could’ve been science or a new cognition.
Don Juan said that the "precise bundle" of emanations being perceived by mankind, changes over time.
You can take that as the advance in the number of people, as well as in technology. Changes we easily also notice.
And EVERYTHING is just the emanations. So any change, alters the precise bundle being perceived.
You can learn to see those bundles! Just stop the world and hit the jackpot with the view of the emanations as infinity lines.
The bundles appear in there.
And you can go into any you see, come back out to make sure what just happened did happen, and then go back again.
Back and forth, but not too many times. It's supposedly dangerous to do it too many times in a row.
It shouldn't surprise people that the old seers could go live in the IOB world to escape death, anymore than surprising them our Tonal Awareness got stuck in organic bodies.
Organic bodies are just the organizing emanations.
To "live in a world", you have to merge into bundles contains lots of those.
Our awareness needs something to contain it, or it dissipates into a thin fog and can't act on its own anymore.
It's impossible from our current point of view to make any sense of that.
Or even believe it.
BUT, a day comes when everything around you is visible as emanations.
SK brings you there.
And then even a person is just that. You consider the person, or even some object, and you get a view of it as emanations.
They're interacting. That gives rise to a cage like structure, which isn't solid, but has strong connecting lines of glowing emanations.
One of my inorganic beings (can't remember who), claimed Carlos was making fun of us by using the term "Tensegrity".
Because we were guaranteed to confuse it with the exercises.
When in fact, he considered all of the people he was trying to lead to be the tensegrity thing.
He just couldn't get the structure finished before he died.
Then, the emanations are also "tensegrity" at the level of seeing.
I hope to draw that up, but only after seeing it at least a dozen different nights.
It nearly allows you to manipulate things without actually dealing with the solid appearance of them.
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It seems like you studied too fast, and got things confused in your mind.
And you obsessed over the 3rd attention, like a lot of people did.
So you started to make up stuff about it.
Normally that's ok. It's ok for buddhists, daoists, hindus, Qaballists.
But not for us.
Study more. You're on the right "main road", but you keep running down the side paths, like a kid on an excursion where he's never been before.
We have a long way to go. Don't do side paths.
I hope the obsession over the 3rd attention isn't an obsession over religion.
Over "saving your soul" past death.
We can't really do much about that.
And if you focus too much on it, it's "bad intent".
It "dirties the link to intent".
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Ok, now you're pretending to be an expert, instead of trying to learn.
You're doing the "comrade" bad player type.
And don't care if you make up stuff, because obviously you don't really believe any of it.
You just want attention as "knowing".
You won't be able to learn with this mindset.
Yes I should stop seeking attention I agree
Then you'll make it!
I'm way out here looking at the emanations themselves for an hour or so each night.
You start to realize, no one can write this down!
You can't put any of this in a sacred scroll.
Can't even describe most of it.
All you can do is help people learn to move their assemblage point.
Something no other system even knows about.
It might be part of why "The Spirit" likes humor.
What the heck else can you do, when you realize how hopeless it is for humans to ever understand anything.
Just make a joke about it I suppose, to substitute for the rush of "understanding" people expect.
Of course, all other magical systems do the opposite.
They get more and more serious, the more "advanced" they claim a new technique you can get from them is. For a fee of course.
Because they haven't actually been there, they don't realize that's the dead giveaway of a fraud.
Being serious about the unfathomable.