This post is intended to be of assistance if you're one of those people for whom the phrase "force silence" doesn't make much pragmatic sense, internally (myself included). Mostly due to semantics and lack of a descriptive enough internal process/state; which, as a catch 22, if too descriptive would actually further inhibit silence.
Some quotes from others:
THIS ACTUALLY WORKS!!! (even on TikTok š«¤)

Forcing Silence - YouTube Playlist (4 vids) - ignore any mentions of closing the eyes (keep them open!), and chakra/eastern imagery (just listen, instead)
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WAYS TO STOP THINKING
The following is a paraphrased and condensed version of this source article :
William Berry, LMHC., CAP. - "As a therapist and university instructor, I attempt to get students to relate to the material I am teaching and encourage them to observe their thoughts, to investigate them, to question them, and to be less attached to them.
The responses I get from students and clients alike is that they canāt. They canāt stop their thoughts; even for a second.
What you can do, however, is slow them down, create some space between them, observe them, and reduce their power. Many people set unrealistic goals. They expect their mind not to wander at all. I try to quell this by telling students and clients that in 30 years of practicing (on and off, with long periods of off), I am probably lucky to get 10 to 20 minutes of actual complete awareness spread out in a day. And that includes a 10-minute meditation (where the mind wanders a great deal and if Iām lucky I totalāthe total of small bits of mental quietude, certainly not in one big bunchāa minute or two).
[Even u/danl999 says "I can't even get silent for 10 (continuous) minutes!!! And I've been practicing silence for at least 50 years, reaching levels which allow time travel for real. But it's still not full silence."]
Some see those that promote these practices as masters who are "awakened" most if not all of the day. I doubt this exists [not until the human form flees for good].
Rather than being discouraged by this, my hope is you are encouraged.
If you do feel discouraged, thinking, āwhat is the point if all I get is a minute or two?ā Thatās an excellent question, and the only answer I have is that these small periods of (silence) have exponentially powerful results. One begins to become aware of how the mind works and is more able to distance from it on command. The new mindset, when practiced over and over (even for seconds) begins creating new neural pathways (intent) and ways of thinking. The more it is used, the more powerful it becomes. One becomes less attached to thoughts, more able to bring about an altered state, and as such, more in control of thoughts. It becomes a positive cycle that reaps more and more benefitsā¦.
āWATCHINGā AND WAITING FOR YOUR NEXT THOUGHT

I'm In The Crosshairs! šļø
ā¦Imagine you are a cat and youāre waiting for a mouse to come out of it's hole. The watching, observer mind is the cat, and the next thought is the mouse. As long as you are focused on being in the observing 'What Will My Next Thought Be?' state, no thoughts will appear. Itās a stalemate!

Who will blink first?
But, of course, we lose focus in a short amount of timeā¦.which can be greatly extended with intense effort and practice. This technique can be used over and over [and can be associated with the stones/quartz crystals or paperweights, which are tied into the sorcererās intent, if done in conjunction...this deepens the cross-association when they, or the silence sticks, cannot be used].
[ TENSEGRITY ]
Many spend most of their time in their heads, thinking about what they have to do, where they would rather be, what they would rather be doing. A way to slow all of that down is to focus on being āinā your body [with the Magical Passes]. On an intellectual level, everyone knows they are in their body. But aside from when you experience pain, do you focus much on what it feels like to just inhabit your body? A simple exercise is just to stop and bring your consciousness into your body.
FLOW
Flow is a state of total absorption in an activity. There is a loss of self-awareness in the activity. Many get this when engaged in a hobby, be it playing an instrument, painting, or otherwise being creative. Some get it from playing a sport they love. Whatever the means, being totally absorbed in an activity takes you out of your thoughts and into the moment.
VISUALIZE
[About all that should be said about this is that Recapitulating is way more pragmatic and beneficial than visualizing a blue sky with fluffy clouds drifting through, an
expansive liminal space
void filled with nothingness
TAKEAWAY
Ultimately, many of these techniques are interrelated. And many, in longer versions, can be combined. One neednāt sit on a cushion to create [inner silence]. And after actively engaging in these practices, we realize most thinking is just self-serving busy work for the ego. In fact, the vast majority of thinking is biased at best, deluded at worst. The brain is built to think, to be busy, to rise one above it's peers, to worry, to find problems or threats. In reality, however, much of it is nonsense that never comes to fruition, that is relatively meaningless in the grand scheme of things, and that is robbing you of peace [ and magic ! ]. You CAN break out of the cycle of automatic thoughts; and the more you persist in this, the easier it is to bring this state of mind into being."
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"The inner monologue is governed by the left hemisphere of your brain (we use this side almost 24/7). To focus and still our thoughts we need to āactiveā our right hemisphere during practice." source comment. To bring the two bodies into harmony.

Harmony
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I forgot to mention that eventually 'What Will My Next Thought Be?' ceases to be a verbal inquiry and becomes a wordless feeling. A command/state.
it reminds me of the texts from Carlos's books when don Juan tells Carlos: now you can talk and ask about anything... and Carlos can't remember what to talk about at that moment. Don Juan laughs that sometimes Carlos is very eloquent, but when he invites him, he has nothing to say... :)
Once you don't have verbal inquiry and you act according to this wordless feeling or sensation; To obtain more silence, you want to observe what your next sensation feeling will be to achieve even more silence?
There is a passage in the books where Silvio Manuel (I think) talks about training to separate our individual senses into different channels, with the goal of further zeroing in on the core what we actually are, and how that is not inextricably tied to our biological senses.
Even though it's certainly seems to be!
It's like in a way we want to disconnect every sensation to the point of complete inner and outer darkness (Assuming being on Dark room).
Like detaching yourself part by part.... to the extent of detaching yourself to perceptual existence until you reach the core. And while doing so intent comes.
Thank you for this š
I also should have mentioned that the "insane" level that actual/practicing sorcerers aim to take this to, is to maintain that pressure 24/7.
To never ever let up.
That's why there are such a variety of practices, so that whatever you might be doing, there's an associatable and "elevated/heightened" mode you can get into that has the intent of silence forged into it.
At Rest. Walking. Working. Reminiscing. Even Sleeping.
For each category here, what would be the practice associated?
At Rest. Exercising. Walking. Working. Reminiscing. Even Sleeping...and the in-between.
Gazing or Chair Silence. Tensegrity. Right Way of Walking. Stalking. Recapitulating. Womb Dreaming/4 Gates Dreaming. And the in-between is too complex to get into, use your own intuition backed up with practiced familiarity with the ones listed.
And there are some further refinements and subcategories, like Petty Tyrants being part of Stalking.
Thank you, thank you!
Wow, such a simple idea to look away from "what did I just think / what am I thinking" to ask about the future. I'll try this, thans
Very helpfull advice, what a profound state of peace it induces.
Another useful fact that I stumbled over while pulling together corroborative materials for this post, is that our right brain (left side body) likes, or gets drawn into, the sound of our words only. The shape of them, and not the meaning.
It's a large part of why earworms (do a search on this sub!), songs/melodies stuck in the head, are an unavoidable speed bump we all encounter while engaged in silence efforts.
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/dtxh76/2015_seminar_in_sochi_with_carol_tiggs/
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/o9slgw/the_sound_of_silence/
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/tya139/bellsound_used_to_accomplish_whatever_is_needed/
Another useful fact that I stumbled over while pulling together corroborative materials for this post, is that our right brain (left side body) likes, or gets drawn into, the sound of our words only. The shape of them, and not the meaning.
It's a large part of why earworms (do a search on this sub!), songs/melodies stuck in the head, are an unavoidable speed bump we all encounter while engaged in silence efforts.
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/dtxh76/2015_seminar_in_sochi_with_carol_tiggs/
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/o9slgw/the_sound_of_silence/
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/tya139/bellsound_used_to_accomplish_whatever_is_needed/
Thatās really whatās bothering me, ear worms. I donāt have much words in my internal dialogue but almost always a song playing and itās difficult to get rid of it.
In fact I remember the very first time I had it, it felt like an attack to me as a child, I couldnāt sleep because I had a sad song playing in repeat in my head, had to tell my parents about it and they made me listen to another song to make it disappear but still⦠This definitely feels like a foreign installation to me
What are your strategies as an adult to tackle the earworms?
I would say focusing on the buzzing song ever present as described in "the sound of silence" mentionned below, I find this works great.
Also recap is really effective in getting more and more silent after each session, I'm starting to believe getting silent requires energy and the more you are able to store, the easier it gets but it's a long process
Thanks Techno! Itās a wonderful selection of posts for everyone interested in sound⦠The comments here are very funny⦠āEar wormsā, hahahaā¦
There are crunchy worms and slimy worms, but they all provide nourishment⦠Simba got it, he ended up with a nice mane and then danced through the jungleā¦
Another visual example of a liminal space
https://imgur.com/gallery/UXWx0BP
Another visual example of a liminal space
https://imgur.com/gallery/UXWx0BP
Yes, one thing I have also noticed is that in my experience (as a still very new and young beginner that does not know anything), I have found the opposite has had a similar affect for me, instead of forcing the internal dialogue off I give it more than it could ask for. I do 12-14 hours of mathematics (I think physics/theoretical physics would work too) a day and by the time I am done my internal dialogue is so tired that I can just gently turn it off without much of a fight, but Im sure this is not necessarily practical and efficient long term, just an observation. I am curious though, because as a young beginner, I am still working on taking care of my tonal, including working both right and left hemispheres. So Im aware that the hard science will strengthen but also tire the left brain, but does silence strengthen the right brain on its own? Or is silence neutral to both sides and to strengthen the right I should be creating music and art etc..?
I've heard of professional athletes who, after physically training to exhaustion (and quite likely a bit beyond their assumed limits), had NO INTERNAL DIALOGUE after.
It was noteworthy enough of an internal change that someone either wrote about it or talked about it in an interview or something.
As far as I understand it (now), the neurological/biological expression of the internal dialogue occurs in both hemispheres of the brain. And not just in the frontal lobe, as some articles I've read have professed.
So silence efforts appears to be a joint endeavor, as both "bodies" (which is how it's termed in our sorcery) are impacted. Consequently, implying cognitive separations between math and music, physics and art...is both misleading and limiting.
Example:
"We use the language center to appreciate music, which spans both sides of the brain, though language and words are interpreted in the left hemisphere while music and sounds are interpreted in the right hemisphere,ā Yonetani says."
And as far as physics and art being good bedfellows, remember Leonardo DaVinci!
Okay cool, that definitely sounds along the same lines as what I was thinking.
The backup for the source Psychology Today article
https://archive.ph/2024.08.08-131047/https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-second-noble-truth/202007/8-ways-stop-thinking
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Doctor Shares How To Quiet The Mind's Chatter
This Cleargreen link has been taken down. It no longer works.
Unfortunately, the links on their community forum are not accessible to archiving services. So itās just gone.
It's like reading a short story and finding the last page missing.
āAm I Thinking (right now)?ā also works, the same as āWhat Will My Next Thought Be?ā And the influence/modulation of boredom is also critical to the process:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/4kvrdy/the_tonal_is_made_to_give_up_unnecessary_things/
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/invu3w/noboredom_policy/
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/crt12l/what_is_boredom/
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/1bmtndo/how_you_respond_to_boredom_largely_determines/