\"Oscuro - Dark One\"
Let's start from the fact that EVERYTHING that is chatter, ramblings, fantasies, humming, mental masturbation, arbitrary imagination based on relatively unimportant facts... I don't care what name you want to give it, all of this is pure and fucking “Internal Dialogue.” Stopping this is the hardest thing to do. You really have to work like a dog to save every second, and it's extremely hard work because it's a struggle against yourself.
For those who are still wondering how you can know how much progress you've made in stopping the dialogue because you've been trying for months, years? Believe me, you'll realize it in the dark room, and you won't be able to lie to yourself. There's the illustration of the J-Curve so you can try to identify which station you've gotten off at. This really gives you an idea of how hard you're working. Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/mtfwhb/even_better_j_curve_diagram/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
If after so much practice you don't see magic, you have been deceiving yourself and others. Translated: you have not managed to silence yourself internally and you keep repeating that monologue.
In fact, if you can't achieve at least 2 consecutive minutes of internal silence, it's not even worth commenting on your experiences, let alone wasting other people's time here, in addition to waiting for it to happen at least 3 times. This is absolutely true based on my own limited experience.
I've even tried timing myself; here's something to consider: if you do this, it's practically self-deception in my view. It's really different when you actually have magic in front of you in the dark room and you've forced yourself to be so quiet that it allows you to advance the movement of the assemblage point, even if this movement is horizontal and not vertical. If you succeed, you'll realize that time doesn't pass in the same way.
If you search, you'll find posts like this one, just to give an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/1c0n2jk/how_do_i_stop_my_internal_dialogue/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x& utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button in which u/Daniel and u/Techno give a very detailed lecture on how to stop the dialogue in the comments, including notes from books, and there, you will also find me wasting my time. It was then that I really realized that if you don't shut up, you don't move forward.
A few days ago, I quoted the following link because it really summarizes all the information thanks to the moderators who were there and those who are still there: https://reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/silence.
Why am I emphasizing this? Simple, if you can't control your internal dialogue, I doubt it's worth wasting your time in the dark room. Better to spend it with your family or your dog/cat. That is my recommendation if you are not willing to work hard. Why do I say this? Easy. I had been practicing every day without fail for six months, but because of two consecutive days when I couldn't do any tensegrity due to travel, let alone the dark room, the setback was hellish. And that was only for two days out of six months. I don't want to imagine what it's like for those who practice once a week.
As a novice practitioner, I can tell you that if you really take it seriously, you will suffer a loss of rationality, changes in mood, coldness, greater attention to what you have done, you will detect other people's thoughts/feelings, manipulations, problems with friends and family, boyfriends/girlfriends, etc. due to the apathy it generates, and everything else that remains unsaid because once you start to keep quiet, many things come to the surface, not to mention everything that Recapitulation brings out, but that's another story. But all this is always with the aim of maintaining sanity and avoiding self-deception, since the assemblage point always returns to its place. Furthermore, you will find contradictions, as in the following case, but in witchcraft, contradiction is also fundamental, and the best example can be found directly in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/1q2w4dy/silence_does_not_move_the_assemblage_point/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x& utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button; in my humble opinion, don't try to understand it, it will blow your mind. Accept and apply it until you have progressed enough, and it will become much more understandable.
If you want another example, here it is: https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/1kitb09/comment/o1fjh2h/ with the following note
\> “You have to STOP the internal dialogue. Don't replace it.”
I don't mean to belittle the practice of Tensegrity and the Dark Room, as well as practicing the correct way of walking, Gazing, Recapitulation, and other exercises that are extremely important and go hand in hand, since they complement each other.
I am sharing other posts with links that will surely be very useful to you, and also serve as a reminder for me. I do not consider myself the best, much less perfect, because last week the Dark Ones (Inorganic) told me that I am “Complicated,” so I still have a lot of work to do. Greetings to all.
- https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/f5t6iq/a_leather_weight_for_inner_silence/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button (Específico para las mujeres)
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There’s a comment made a few days ago that’s really been gnawing at me, in regards to whether or not it should be included in the Wiki…because of how it could potentially be taken by some people.
Interpreted to reinforce the lazy man’s perspective.
But it should still be re-acknowledged:
>That's your "self" suffering away in its perpetual "poor me" point of view.
>Even when doing something, we still frame it in those terms one way or the other, because our reality has been narrowed down to that. It's the only terms in which we can see anything.
>It's definitely impossible to think about the internal dialogue and make it go away. More likely is that you accidently fall asleep awake and notice it was gone for a bit, thus gaining some other perspectives.
>But possibly nothing you can do is going to help you, other than to make you unhappy that it never stops so that you keep trying despite making no real progress.
>In the long run, it's possible that the only way to stop it is to intend to stop it.
>And if that's true, trying to stop your internal dialogue like trying to dig a tunnel with a spoon.
>You can't really do that but if you try anyway, never giving up, something outside of you takes pity and gives you a hand.
>Best to stick with something like Tensegrity while trying to stop it, which gives you the best chance to fall asleep and engage in sleepwalking.
>Until you have other resources available to you.
>Such as being able to "look in another direction".
>But you have to see the other direction many times, before you could do that. It's not something you can just "look for", if you haven't seen it enough times. source comment URL

Its the hardest thing out there, cause chatter is all around, and its easy to start pretending.
Well, obviously much of what you say it true, but I completely disagree with you that if someone can't have inner silence for 2 minutes that they have nothing to say on the matter. Even 20 seconds of genuine inner silence is extremely rare and significant. I would be quite interested in such a person's insight and ability.
You don't really have to agree with anything; just give it a try and experience it, so no one can tell you tall tales and you don't depend on other people's experiences, unless you're a science fiction writer looking for inspiration for your ideas; if so, "Bravo" to you, there you go.
It's difficult to advance to deeper zones without silence and accumulated energy. Fantasies, fear or terror, uncertainty, hell itself, coldness, madness, loneliness, and much more await down there, lurking in the immense darkness of your imbalance—not yours specifically, but that of everyone who tries. Luck with that.
Yes, I agree with all of that. My only point is that 2 minutes of unbroken inner silence is extremely rare, yet people claim that all the time, not realizing that they haven't even ever had 10 seconds of actual silence.
I have that travel problem right now. Have had limited time to squeeze in practice, and another missed day is coming to travel home.
limited time? Merge with the power of the day. Plenty of time there.
😂😂
I can’t take you seriously
It's a version of this:
You must let yourself go so your personal power will merge with the power of the night," he said in my ear. Don Juan
It's also possible to merge with the day. If only to keep you from missing it.
Its not advice, but an option.
One of my biggest obstacles to this exercise is the more I intend to stop inner dialogue, the more the mind fights back, and not in innocuous plain radio like dialogue, but in paranoid ideas and problems that conveniently arise. This is when my flight really starts, and if comes with horrible migraines, even nightmares. I usually give up and have to take breaks even days, but I keep coming back. The only game changer I have found out recently is recapitulation. That is the most incredible tool with magical effects. I mean after a few days of just one hour daily I start behaving and feeling different, and it's related to how it affects the inner dialogue and loosens the assemblage point. Recap is easy and exciting, but only when you force yourself to do it. To think about doing it is the most painful thing to do it and often leads to not doing it. One has to really jump that barb wire fence of contradiction
Nobody said it would be easy. But if you really make progress with the Recap, that would be great. It's one of the many paths to follow and one of the few that people are motivated to pursue, as long as you don't give up on achieving inner silence and stopping that annoying internal dialogue. Tensegrity exercises also help; give them a try. You can find u/Jadey's classes on YouTube for free.
Yeah I do all the tensegrity movements from the former official videos and several from the book, daily.
I'll take advantage of your comment and go further on something I didn't mention in the original post and that could be useful to anyone, as long as it helps in some way to achieve some inner silence. I didn't mention it before because it could encourage laziness and self-deception.
In summary, in my personal case, I have applied both methods, but the one I have applied the most and “promote” (this may not be the correct word) here is the Active method of forcing that dialogue to shut down. There is another method that is more Passive, but talking about it encourages people to become more “lazy” than they already are or are willing to really move forward, so it is not so recommendable.
I'm not going to stop to explain it; you must verify if this method is applicable to each person and if it is of greater benefit. Here is the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/is3mxb/the_warriors_path_changing_the_internal_dialogue/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I am sharing this with you with a single goal in mind: to provide you with another tool that will help you explore this topic in greater depth.
Very interesting. It's something I did before I read Castaneda, in my teens. I had come across Gurdjieff and his "self observation", "non identifying with negative thoughts", etc. Interestingly he said that you can't maintain total inner silence for longer than a minute, but that you still should attempt, a few times daily. But the bulk of his practice was self observation
I think he draw from ancient Egyptian knowledge from a secret society, and even if it wasn't part of this lineage, there were so many parallels that it brought Carlos Castaneda to explore Gurdjieff groups with the blessing of Don Juan, only to come out of our disappointed. But I wouldn't blame their system for their groups failure, look at Cleargreen INC, you can't blame sorcery for what subsequent groups do or don't.